Jul
15
2008

Scooter vs Motorcycle

(If any of you are MC riders, I’d love your input and opinions on any of this)

So, this week-end, I’ve spent a lot of time riding around on a motorcycle (Honda XR, to be exact, which is a 125cc, road-legal, 5-speed trail bike). This morning I handed it in and stepped straight back onto my scooter (Gilera Runner VX Special – twist and go continuous variable transmission (CVT), 125cc). The difference between the two bikes are so vast that it’s almost unbelievable that they both share some traits (2 wheels and a 125cc engine)…

Gears – Scooter is better

One of the main reasons why I wanted to learn how to ride ‘proper’ bikes, is that I want to learn the extra skill involved with changing gears etc. To be honest, I don’t really see the advantage of having a set of gears on a motorbike – CVT is a far superior technology. I realise that it isn’t great for especially powerful engines, but for anything up to 250cc or so, I don’t really see the need.

Comfort – Tie

A bit of a mixed evaluation on this one. The engine on the motorbike causes a LOT of vibrations, which means that the seat and steering wheel is constantly shuddering. I’ve ridden my scooter for 3 hours without getting rider’s fatigue, but after 3 hours on the MC, I was exhausted, largely because of the vibrations.

Having said that, though, the bigger wheels and vastly superior suspension system on the MC (it’s an off-road bike at heart, after all), means that it’s a much better match to London pot-holed roads. If I’m leaning over in a turn and hit a pothole on my scooter, I can pretty much guarantee a hairy moment. On the MC, the suspension just laps up the bumps, and you carry on with a smile.

… And don’t even get me started on cobblestones.

Noise - Tie

This is an interesting one as well. I have to admit that the MC is quite a noisy beast (It’s a 4-stroke carburettor engine), and the scooter is a technological masterpiece in comparison – it’s much, MUCH quieter, and has practically no vibration coming from the engine at all.

All of this sounds good, right? Surely, quiet is better? Well, to be honest, I’m wearing a helmet and earplugs anyway, so the noise doesn’t make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. In fact, motorcycle drivers – especially in rush hour traffic – have the advantage of being able to make people aware of their presence without using the horn, simply by declutching and giving some gas. The engine makes a loud, very easily recognisable sound (“I’m a motorcycle, I’m over here, don’t hit me, please”). In everyday traffic, you often see motorcyclists use their engines to draw attention to themselves, and it works really well. So the noise is more annoying, but if it may end up saving your skin…

Weight – MC is better / Tie

The point of gravity of the scooter is extremely low, but it’s also much heavier than the motorcycle. The MC, I could fling into tight corners, and keep it under tight control even when doing extremely small figure-eights and circles. Part of this is that the steering lock of the MC is much further from the centre than that of the scooter, but when stepping back on the scooter after having ridden the MC, I couldn’t help but dislike how un-manoeverable it is.

Having said that, though, most people don’t ride motorcycles with 125cc – I loved the XR, but I wouldn’t buy one myself – so the weight saving of riding an MC would probably be counteracted by choosing one with a bigger engine, which will almost certainly mean it’s heavier than the scooter again.

Handling – MC is better

Quite simply, the bigger wheels and huuuge suspension travel on the trail bike make it vastly superior than the scooter – it goes over speed bumps as if they weren’t there, it laps up potholes as if they were butter, and can even take on the occasional kerb if necessary. (Ride into a kerb with the scooter, and you’ll do damage to the scooter and probably fly off. Do the same with the MC, and it’ll complain, but you’ll probably end up being safe)

Filtering in tight traffic – Scooter is better

Going between two narrow rows of cars, there’s no competition whatsoever – riding slowly on a scooter is much easier than on a motorbike (although I’ve obviously ridden my scooter for nearly 10 months, while I have only ridden an MC for a few days in total), and learning to ride slowly is also significantly easier when there’s no clutch to worry about. The fact that it’s impossible to stall a scooter (unless there’s something physically wrong with the engine, or you’re out of fuel or something)

Fuel consumption – Scooter is better / Tie

The scooter has a fuel-injected 4-stroke, and is an altogether better put together engine than the carb-engined Honda. Having said that though, I don’t think the fuel efficiency is all that different – especially considering that the scooter is heavier. Besides, if I were to buy one, I’d probably go for a fuel-injected V-twin, which would help a lot with the vibrations (discussed above) and the fuel consumption relative to engine size.

Overall - I don’t know…

Honestly, I don’t know which one is the best. They’re both mighty fine machines, but with difficult capabilities. I like the high-tech looks and the technologically advantages of the scooter, but I prefer the handling and feeling of safety of the MC.

Written by hajejan in: Automotive, Travel |

2 Comments »

  • Cherie says:

    Good for people to know.

  • Mike says:

    I’m glad to see that you put some real effort into doing a side by side comparison. I stumbled across your post somewhere down the list of Google’s results for “motorcycle vs scooter” and I hope I’m not too many months late for my reply to get back to you.

    I’m a MC rider and have never ridden a scooter, mainly for lack of opportunity. In the U.S. Army, macho is king and it’s hard to find scooter riders, but I’d love to eventually do what you’ve done from the MC perspective.

    I wanted to put some perspective on your experience, and urge you to try your sideXside again with a bike meant for the streets exclusively as opposed to a dirt bike. I know in the US a 125cc bike is very hard to come by, but I’ve heard they’re more common in the UK. My urging comes from my experience riding a street legal dirt bike, a Kawasaki Super Sherpa (250cc), and the vast differences between it and my personal bike, a Yamaha FZ6 (600cc).

    Gears: I think this is very subjective. Not having ridden a scooter, I can’t comment on CVTs but from everything I’ve read, scooters have the advantage at starts at least when rider experience isn’t considered. I’m not a track or drag racer by any means so I don’t honestly know if I could beat a scooter in a short race from a red light. Aside from that, I really enjoy the control that shifting gives me. I can shift at 5k when I’m stuck in between cagers or at 12k when I’m unfettered or trying to keep up with the Lotus I found myself behind one day on George Washington Parkway (fun times). There’s also the issue of engine braking which I use quite a bit. I miss it quite a bit when I get in my truck which is automatic. I definitely need to ride a CVT scooter to get a taste of the other side.

    Comfort: I only have a couple of comments about the dirtie as I only used it for an MSF course (they make you ride the dirtie if you’re the tallest in the class) and the 10 hours of riding was segmented. It was far too skinny for me to press my knees against the tank comfortably as the instructor asked. My FZ6 is very well sized in this respect. The seat height was excessive for me which caused comfort and control issues (I’m 6ft tall and not exactly fat). Once again, the FZ6, though tall compared to many 600s, still allows me to flat foot at stop lights without issue. The FZ6 is also very comfortable for me for an hour+ but I haven’t done a three-hour ride so I can’t comment on that.

    Weight/Handling: The center of gravity on the dirtie I rode was terribly high and caused me all kinds of problems in low speed maneuvers. I think this is inherent in dirt bikes as they need a lot of ground clearance and suspension travel for their intended terrain. I’ve ridden two Harleys and a Honda since then, other than my FZ6 and they all act very differently. I like my FZ6 the most, of course, but they all share a lower center of gravity and are easy to maneuver at any speed. Weight really isn’t an issue for me except for getting the bike out of the garage, which sucked the most when I rode the thousand pound Harley Electra Glide touring bike. Once it got any speed to it, it was like the weight went away and it felt great in terms of handling.

    Filtering in traffic: What may polarize us the most on this topic is geographic location. In my area, we have so many speed limits of 45MPH and above that a 125cc scooter is barely enough to scrape by. We’re also not allowed to “split lanes” (except in California) so passing becomes more an issue of speed than size. In any gear, I can just drop down one, hit the throttle, and say goodbye. I’m not sure how that works with a CVT, but I’ve read that, above a certain speed, it does not accelerate well at all. This level, on a motorcycle, is usually well above any legal speed limit when talking about common displacements but not so much when talking about 125cc. This may be why 125cc is almost extinct in US motorcycles.

    Fuel consumption: Scooters definitely win there, but in my opinion, not for the reasons you cited. Fuel injection and 4 strokes does not a fuel miser make. I read about 150cc scooters with 2 stroke engines get much better mileage than their 4 stroke cousins. When displacement is equal, scooters win, but I think it is a matter of gearing and cylinder number.

    Overall: My mind is set on stats as far as speed and acceleration vs price, so that’s why I’m so set on motorcycles. Who knows though, maybe a scooter will change my mind.

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